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Figure since we now have a TV section and I've seen this show brought up a few times, I'd make the thread so we can chit chat about it. 

Right now, the Walking Dead is the only reason I even bother turning on my TV. To me, it's the only thing worth watching anymore and I'm super hyped for it's return this Sunday. The first portion of Season 3 started off amazingly and there were episodes that very well could have worked for season finales. I'm eager to see whether or not they can keep the pace they established going.

When they killed her off I was so, so, so happy. It made my day.

Honestly, I think she redeemed herself in her death. Yeah, she was a bit of a bitch, but didn't annoy me anywhere near as much as Andrea has. Honestly waiting/hoping she's killed off soon. She's insufferable.

I haven't watched the 3rd season yet, but here are my thoughts about the show.

I love it. Then, when the episode is over, I realize it was sort of stupid, with bad dialogues, and that it went nowhere.

Then I watch the next one, and I love it again. Because zombies I'd guess.

Was trying to avoid spoilers, L. Haha. But you're right. Blondie needs a smack in the mouth and to be woken up. Or for Darryl to shoot her in the face with his crossbow.

Quote from: DrumrbaxJ on February 06, 2013, 12:29:00 AM
Was trying to avoid spoilers, L. Haha. But you're right. Blondie needs a smack in the mouth and to be woken up. Or for Darryl to shoot her in the face with his crossbow.

I modded the post to avoid spoilers. But yeah, Andrea needs to just go. If Daryl did end up shooting her, it'd be payback for the time she shot him and I'd be ok with that.

Touche.
And I believe Darryl has become the most interesting and "root for" guy on the show. He was always going to be one of the most interesting, having had to leave his brother behind and travelling with the people that would have doomed him to death.

Definitely. Though, I'm still partial to Rick despite his more recent actions. Kinda hard to hate the guy that the show started with and you've been following for this long. I really dig the relationship he has with Daryl, where if Rick needs something, all he has to do is nod and Daryl knows exactly what he's talking about. It's a slick dynamic.

I just think Rick is really unlikeable for some reason.

I liked Shane. I know I wasn't supposed to and he was a homewrecker/murderer/attempted rapist, but his policy was basically "get your fucking shit together, it's the end of the world here" and I respected that. He said the farm wasn't safe whilst everyone else was playing grab-ass and what do you know? He was right.

And I just hate that Rick kills people willy nilly when he would have called Shane out on the same thing. I know there are better intentions when Rick does it, but murder is murder.

Walking Dead is pretty much the only reason I watch any television anymore, sort of like L. The plot and character development is top notch, I think.

Quote from: Dorkus on February 06, 2013, 04:16:21 AMI just think Rick is really unlikeable for some reason

L and I were talking about this not too long ago... I feel the same way. My problem with him is that whenever his group is in need of something, he'll beg and plead and cry for them all... but when someone not from the group, with less than them, attempts to do the same thing he tries to act like some hardass. He needs to pick a side and stick with it- either be the caring guy, or the asshole.

As for Andrea... she's nothing more than a power hungry cock sucker (literally). Every dude she comes across that has power she latches on to like a leech. Wouldn't surprise me if she'd have latched onto Rick if she'd of been given the chance. Not to mention she has this complex to her where she constantly needs to throw herself out there as Xena or something, while simultaneously either failing or putting others in danger.

And I think the same as most people: Darryl kicks ass, and is my favorite character.  Carl is kind of growing on me now, too.

Almost wish they would find a way to add Clementine to the show, but I doubt that'd happen. Nor should it, probably.

I can't wait for the next episode this sunday

I should mention that I really like The Governor, so maybe my sense of morality is a bit skewed.  [*uhoh*]

Quote from: Dorkus on February 06, 2013, 04:42:50 AMI should mention that I really like The Governor, so maybe my sense of morality is a bit skewed.  [*uhoh*]

I like him in the sense that he is a really good villain. He can play to peoples' fears and hopes and sway them with just a few simple words... he's decisive and always has a plan/trick up his sleeve. Theoretically he would make a perfect leader, were it not for the whole evil thing.

Quote from: Shadow on February 06, 2013, 04:40:04 AM
Walking Dead is pretty much the only reason I watch any television anymore, sort of like L. The plot and character development is top notch, I think.

Quote from: Dorkus on February 06, 2013, 04:16:21 AMI just think Rick is really unlikeable for some reason

L and I were talking about this not too long ago... I feel the same way. My problem with him is that whenever his group is in need of something, he'll beg and plead and cry for them all... but when someone not from the group, with less than them, attempts to do the same thing he tries to act like some hardass. He needs to pick a side and stick with it- either be the caring guy, or the asshole.

As for Andrea... she's nothing more than a power hungry cock sucker (literally). Every dude she comes across that has power she latches on to like a leech. Wouldn't surprise me if she'd have latched onto Rick if she'd of been given the chance. Not to mention she has this complex to her where she constantly needs to throw herself out there as Xena or something, while simultaneously either failing or putting others in danger.

And I think the same as most people: Darryl kicks ass, and is my favorite character.  Carl is kind of growing on me now, too.

The bolded: I've literally never seen it that way. At all. Anytime he's needed anything, he did his damnedest to convince the people to help him and realize that his group could be a help to them in return. As far as him being a murderous psychopath goes? Every one of his murders has been justified, unlike Shane. Otis didn't deserve to die. But the bandits Rick killed in the bar? It was obvious they were going to try something. Same with when he killed Shane.

Quote from: Dorkus on February 06, 2013, 04:42:50 AM
I should mention that I really like The Governor, so maybe my sense of morality is a bit skewed.  [*uhoh*]

I find it funny you say that when he and Rick aren't so different.

Quote from: L-Face on February 06, 2013, 05:22:32 AMThe bolded: I've literally never seen it that way. At all. Anytime he's needed anything, he did his damnedest to convince the people to help him and realize that his group could be a help to them in return. As far as him being a murderous psychopath goes? Every one of his murders has been justified, unlike Shane. Otis didn't deserve to die. But the bandits Rick killed in the bar? It was obvious they were going to try something. Same with when he killed Shane.

He does do his damnedest when he and his group have their backs to the wall... no doubt about it. But seems as if every time he finally gets into that spot that he wants, he shoots down everyone (figuratively, not literally) in the same position that they themselves were just in.

Also, I never said he was a murderous psychopath. All the people he killed had it coming and then some.

Quote from: Shadow on February 06, 2013, 05:33:01 AM
He does do his damnedest when he and his group have their backs to the wall... no doubt about it. But seems as if every time he finally gets into that spot that he wants, he shoots down everyone (figuratively, not literally) in the same position that they themselves were just in.

Well, those people aren't his people.

Quote from: L-Face on February 06, 2013, 05:22:32 AM

Quote from: Shadow on February 06, 2013, 04:40:04 AM
Walking Dead is pretty much the only reason I watch any television anymore, sort of like L. The plot and character development is top notch, I think.

Quote from: Dorkus on February 06, 2013, 04:16:21 AMI just think Rick is really unlikeable for some reason

L and I were talking about this not too long ago... I feel the same way. My problem with him is that whenever his group is in need of something, he'll beg and plead and cry for them all... but when someone not from the group, with less than them, attempts to do the same thing he tries to act like some hardass. He needs to pick a side and stick with it- either be the caring guy, or the asshole.

As for Andrea... she's nothing more than a power hungry cock sucker (literally). Every dude she comes across that has power she latches on to like a leech. Wouldn't surprise me if she'd have latched onto Rick if she'd of been given the chance. Not to mention she has this complex to her where she constantly needs to throw herself out there as Xena or something, while simultaneously either failing or putting others in danger.

And I think the same as most people: Darryl kicks ass, and is my favorite character.  Carl is kind of growing on me now, too.

The bolded: I've literally never seen it that way. At all. Anytime he's needed anything, he did his damnedest to convince the people to help him and realize that his group could be a help to them in return. As far as him being a murderous psychopath goes? Every one of his murders has been justified, unlike Shane. Otis didn't deserve to die. But the bandits Rick killed in the bar? It was obvious they were going to try something. Same with when he killed Shane.

Quote from: Dorkus on February 06, 2013, 04:42:50 AM
I should mention that I really like The Governor, so maybe my sense of morality is a bit skewed.  [*uhoh*]

I find it funny you say that when he and Rick aren't so different.

The Governor isn't played as a hero though. Rick is downright villainous to me sometimes ("this isn't a democracy anymore because I say so").

Hitler said something similar. :P

Godwin's Law: Engaged.

I'd probably go the same route Rick did. Having a bunch of people trying to decide what was best for the group simply had them running in circles. But with Rick taking charge, they became a well oiled machine. Sure, they lost a few cogs along the way, but they're much stronger because of it.

Quote from: L-Face on February 06, 2013, 05:36:07 AMWell, those people aren't his people.

Exactly.

So instead of treating them based off of their merits, giving his group a chance to grow and become stronger, he does what he can to slide his group in like a parasite then decides to go the route of "Fuck you, I got mine." Very classy of him. I know I wouldn't want to follow a leader like that... I'd much rather have someone that would stick to their guns (again, figuratively, not literally) one way or the other. I just feel it's just too underhanded for someone that their trying to cast as the main hero of the group.

The whole show is centered around making tough decisions. While it explores characters fairly well, what it doesn't show or explore is how Rick deals with the actions he makes. At least, when they're actions that don't pertain to members of his group. One can only assume and those assumptions can turn out to be wrong.

Either way, after all the shit he's gone through, I'm still able to sympathize with him despite his more recent actions. He's not a hero. He's human and humans make mistakes.

Good points.

I think the only true "good" character in the show was Dale. Glenn and Carol too, but both are a little too weak to lead a group.

I don't consider him making the conscious decision to exclude other less fortunate people out of the group, even though they have a chance to prove their worth, a mistake. While I definitely agree with him a good portion of the time, and I do sympathize with him, that is simply one of the areas that I think he has a huge fault on... especially when others in the group oppose those decisions.

"In the end, he [Dale] was talking about losing our humanity. He said this group was broken. The best way to honor him is to unbreak it. ... From now on we're gonna do it his way. That is how we honor Dale."

Meaning I've yet to see this quote come into play from him, yet.

Quote from: Dorkus on February 06, 2013, 05:58:13 AMI think the only true "good" character in the show was Dale. Glenn and Carol too, but both are a little too weak to lead a group.

Honestly I think Hershel could pull it off, if he had to. He's really the only other person aside from Darryl I could see leading the group if something were to happen to Rick. And honestly, I don't even think Darryl would be the kind of person to want to lead the group... not for very long, at least.

Quote from: Dorkus on February 06, 2013, 05:58:13 AM
Good points.

I think the only true "good" character in the show was Dale. Glenn and Carol too, but both are a little too weak to lead a group.

Yeah, I was bummed when they killed Dale off. And while Glenn may not be strong enough to lead the group, his strengths still make him stand out and make him super useful. As far as Carol goes, I'm glad she's finally starting to come into her own. Especially after the shit she put up with in Season 1.

Quote from: Shadow on February 06, 2013, 06:04:23 AM
I don't consider him making the conscious decision to exclude other less fortunate people out of the group, even though they have a chance to prove their worth, a mistake. While I definitely agree with him a good portion of the time, and I do sympathize with him, that is simply one of the areas that I think he has a huge fault on... especially when others in the group oppose those decisions.

Perhaps I'm reading this wrong or you phrased it improperly, but if his group disagrees with him and you see it as a fault, is that not a mistake?

In fairness to Rick, right after saying that quote about Dale, Shane tried to kill him. I'm guessing he just realized that Dales ways weren't going to work.

Quote from: L-Face on February 06, 2013, 06:07:41 AMPerhaps I'm reading this wrong or you phrased it improperly, but if his group disagrees with him and you see it as a fault, is that not a mistake?

Not necessarily, since not only leaders, but groups can make mistakes.

The way I see it: unintended consequences from making a decision are where mistakes spring from. It isn't a "mistake" on Rick's part, because he knows fully what he's doing when he excludes people. If that makes any sense now.

Quote from: Dorkus on February 06, 2013, 06:16:50 AMIn fairness to Rick, right after saying that quote about Dale, Shane tried to kill him. I'm guessing he just realized that Dales ways weren't going to work.

Rick knew Shane was crazy long before then, and had it out for him. SpoilersHell, they had both nearly got eaten because they were trying to kill each other before Dale was even close to danger. It shouldn't have come as a surprise that Shane was going to kill him again. Hell, even Dale realized Shane needed to go... he just couldn't pull the trigger.  /spoilers.

one of the best shows on tv at the moment for sure.

Im interested to see whats going to happen with merle. will he try to rejoin the group in some way or what kinds of conflict he will cause between daryl and the group?

It took me a while to realize who Merle was.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513EP3TKVEL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Wow.  [*odd*]

Quote from: Dorkus on February 06, 2013, 10:04:45 AM
It took me a while to realize who Merle was.

He was also Svenning in Marllrats and Grant Grant in Slither.

Quote from: gorefan1428 on February 06, 2013, 10:00:02 AMone of the best shows on tv at the moment for sure.

Im interested to see whats going to happen with merle. will he try to rejoin the group in some way or what kinds of conflict he will cause between daryl and the group?

Definitely going to be one of the big points in the next episode. I'm wondering what Merle's attitude is going to be like, now that he and the governor aren't on the greatest terms anymore.

one thing that i enjoy about this show is that none of the characters are off limits from being removed except maybe rick, which i feel  later on he will even be killed off at some point.  Cant think of another show where iv seen so many of the main cast taken out so quickly.

Quote from: gorefan1428 on February 06, 2013, 02:08:54 PMone thing that i enjoy about this show is that none of the characters are off limits from being removed except maybe rick, which i feel  later on he will even be killed off at some point.  Cant think of another show where iv seen so many of the main cast taken out so quickly.

It does make it a lot more interesting. But it's a bit of a double edge sword too, though, because what will happen when they kill off all of the main people? Most of them are gone already... granted, most of them before didn't have too large of a back story.

Thing about that is, the writers introduce new characters all the time and somehow make us give a shit about them when we've known people like Rick, Glenn, and Daryl for a while. If they keep up the solid writing, I think whatever choices they make will be just fine. Especially if it's killing off Andrea.  [*deal*]

Quote from: L-Face on February 07, 2013, 02:00:14 AMEspecially if it's killing off Andrea.  [*deal*]

Funny thing is I bet they could actually make her a likable character if they tried, seemed like they were going to go that route every now and again, then dropped it. But I couldn't agree more.

They have tried making her likeable, only for her to do something that puts her right back on my shit list which leads me to believe she's supposed to be hated.

Good god. When I saw Carl burst into that room with a pistol of his own taking zombie names, I was fucking over the moon. The kid is now more bad ass than I ever will be. And I am fucking stoked on it. He's a fucking man, no longer a child. When Rick's away and he's all "Dude. Protect the group. Put them in the cage. Protect the group. I'm a badass. My balls are bigger than your head" I get giddy.

Quote from: DrumrbaxJ on February 07, 2013, 05:54:07 AM
Good god. When I saw Carl burst into that room with a pistol of his own taking zombie names, I was fucking over the moon. The kid is now more bad ass than I ever will be. And I am fucking stoked on it. He's a fucking man, no longer a child. When Rick's away and he's all "Dude. Protect the group. Put them in the cage. Protect the group. I'm a badass. My balls are bigger than your head" I get giddy.

I think in a few seasons or so Rick will die and Carl will take over. He will be the new group leader

I doubt it. For as much as Carl has grown into his own, he's not nearly ready to lead a group.

Carl definitely started to grow on me more after they got off the farm. And especially after his whole sister... situation.

Quote from: L-Face on February 07, 2013, 05:57:05 AM
I doubt it. For as much as Carl has grown into his own, he's not nearly ready to lead a group.

Yeah, far too young still. I think he'd barely be turning 13 now, or something? Taking over the group... I'd imagine something like that would happen many years down the road. And who knows if the show will still be on by then. But if that were the case he'd definitely be a contender.

Quote from: L-Face on February 07, 2013, 05:57:05 AM
I doubt it. For as much as Carl has grown into his own, he's not nearly ready to lead a group.

didn't mean in the near future maybe ,three four seasons down the road when the show starts to get stale and needs something new and fresh as most do.

He will have plenty of time to grow and develop within that time frame. He is already displaying leadership characteristics as dumber pointed out in his post.

... we expect this to go for another three to four seasons? Really?

Quote from: DrumrbaxJ on February 07, 2013, 06:50:00 AM... we expect this to go for another three to four seasons? Really?

You can never tell with anything anymore. Hollywood will take popular movies/shows, milk them for all they're worth, then plow them into the ground. Granted, I'm using Hollywood as a blanket statement for producers and such, but you get my drift.

As long as the comic is going and is popular and as long as this show remains a ratings juggernaut like it's been for the past two seasons, then it's possible for it to go on for a while.

Quote from: DrumrbaxJ on February 07, 2013, 06:50:00 AM
... we expect this to go for another three to four seasons? Really?

without a doubt

It's going to turn to shit. =(

Quote from: DrumrbaxJ on February 07, 2013, 03:22:13 PM
It's going to turn to shit. =(

Most things that go on for a while tend to. Nothing new.

The one thing i feel  that it has going for it that could give it some longevity as far as quality goes is that it doesn't over do it's self in one season. The first two have been like 13 episodes where a lot of shows usually churn out 20 or more.

Wasn't the first season only 6 episodes and then season 2 and 3 were given more?

Quote from: L-Face on February 07, 2013, 04:06:28 PM
Wasn't the first season only 6 episodes and then season 2 and 3 were given more?

that's right  one was like 6 and 2 was like 13  point is there not overdoing themselves early

I think middle of the first half of season 3, things got pretty chaotic. Season 3 usually is where shoes try an up the ante a bit. I just hope they don't up it too high, otherwise it's all downhill from here.

Most shows I watch have only 13 or so. Plenty have only ten, in fact. I think it's more shows like Big Bang Theory or New Girl, those trashy half hourers, that pump out loads.

Big Bang Theory... shudder

Big fan of the governor largely in part to reading his background/prequel book. Of course daryl is one of my other favourites

***SPOILER***

I'm not really invested in this show, but I must say I was never happier than when they killed off Dale in season 2. The expression on his face always looked like someone had just farted near him.

(http://i.imgur.com/rd7XuaN.png)(http://i.imgur.com/kmsVmUB.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/G8W8Y3s.jpg)

He did make some pretty intense faces didn't he. [*laugh*]

And in other news, it's on tonight!!

Daryl come back!! Glenn and Merle will work things out!

I think last night's episode was probably my least favorite so far. Was kinda......meh. Had some moments, but overall it did nothing for me. Hope the next episode is better.

Quote from: L-Face on February 12, 2013, 03:54:38 AMI think last night's episode was probably my least favorite so far. Was kinda......meh. Had some moments, but overall it did nothing for me. Hope the next episode is better.

I thought so too, actually. The winding down part of the episode, especially, just seemed kind of low key for their start since the break. And obviously Daryl will come back eventually... there is no way they'll keep him from the rest of the group for very long.

I am glad that they're finally calling Rick out on his shit, though. I realize that he's lost quite a bit, and is understandably unstable because of it, but if that's the case then he needs to see that he has to be the bigger person and step down, if only for a while.



EDIT: On a side note, is it just me, or do Ben and Randall look exactly the same?

I doubt Rick will step down. Kind of hoping for a power struggle between him and Tyrese. As for Ben and Randall looking alike? Kinda, yeah. Just like Randall, I hope he dies.

I had to miss it because I'm still behind on a few episodes. Gotta catch up.

Quote from: L-Face on February 12, 2013, 07:28:06 AMI doubt Rick will step down. Kind of hoping for a power struggle between him and Tyrese. As for Ben and Randall looking alike? Kinda, yeah. Just like Randall, I hope he dies.

I think that's what they're going to be aiming for. Or at least having Tyreese act as a crutch for Rick until he gets his shit straight. No way in hell they're going to introduce them to the series only to have them run off.

And yeah, Randall and his dad are a bunch of cock gobblers.

Quote from: Dorkus on February 12, 2013, 08:06:32 AMI had to miss it because I'm still behind on a few episodes. Gotta catch up.

How many episodes?

I'm 4 episodes behind now, though I already know all spoilers.

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 12, 2013, 02:18:02 AM
Daryl come back!! Glenn and Merle will work things out!

This! :( Its amazing how they have created what should be a hated character into possibly the most loved one in the series.

Don't think Daryl was ever really meant to be hated. He's just a loner. Merle, on the other hand, that's a character that was meant to be hated. He's a racist asshole that has no qualms in killing people to further himself. Makes me think that aside from losing his hand, the zombie apocalypse is exactly the same to him. Only, now he can kill people without worrying about serving time. 

Quote from: L-Face on February 13, 2013, 02:12:47 AM
Don't think Daryl was ever really meant to be hated. He's just a loner. Merle, on the other hand, that's a character that was meant to be hated. He's a racist asshole that has no qualms in killing people to further himself. Makes me think that aside from losing his hand, the zombie apocalypse is exactly the same to him. Only, now he can kill people without worrying about serving time.

Suppose you're right there, still don't think they expected the fan reaction to be as strong as it was. I mean if I was in that group I'd much prefer him leading the group over Rick, damn Shane would probably do a better job then Rick has when it comes to key decisions as of late

Not to use a dated reference, but Daryl is the Fonzie of the group. Bad ass with the heart of gold type.

As far as Shane doing a better job of leading the group? Dunno about that. Had it been Shane that killed Rick, I'm sure he'd be on the same slippery slope right now. Dude was unstable and probably would have broken once all those walkers hit Hershel's farm. Dude didn't have the balls to kill Sophia after saying "We should kill all the walkers in the barn!" It was Rick that manned up.

The group is really getting vulnerable now. Hershell is on crutches and now a baby is in the bunch as well. Two weak links plus two kids and now no tyrese, daryl and soon Michonne.

Three weak links if you count Rick. Sure, he's one of the best hopes they have in holding off the walkers, but after the events of the last episode, there's a chance that he can and likely will hurt one of the members in the group out of confusion.

I know I'm supposed to hate Merle but I don't. Dude's got a fun charisma to him. Still wanna see Daryl put an arrow through his throat eventually though.

Quote from: Dorkus on February 13, 2013, 04:05:00 AMI know I'm supposed to hate Merle but I don't. Dude's got a fun charisma to him. Still wanna see Daryl put an arrow through his throat eventually though.

Weird, isn't it? I mean, I'm not a huge fan of him or anything, but he's an interesting character who I wouldn't mind seeing around for a while... unlike some of the other characters on the show who I don't/am not suppose to like.

Thought this episode was great.

sort of like the fact rick is going a little insane

It's just not logical to go through all the crap he's going through and not be a little nuts

He has the pressures of being leader, a new baby, dead wife, he was forced to kill his best friend, and then there's that whole zombie thing.

Quote from: Dorkus on February 13, 2013, 04:05:00 AM
I know I'm supposed to hate Merle but I don't.

I hate Merle like I hate Chris Jericho. The character is a dick, but damn is he funny, and cool. I want the kinda-sunuvabitch dead, but I don't because he's fun to watch, and he's a great actor IMO.

and of course, my favorite would be Daryl.


rant=on
but someone, would you please someone, explain me why is Michonne popular?

she's so underdeveloped!

she's badass because she has a Katana? she can't work in a team, each time someone ask her something (like Rick/Merle/Governor) she she just look at them with no facial expretion, no angriness, not even with the look of "I'm gonna kill you", not even a p.oker-face.

the only time I saw her really pissed, was when she was waiting for Andrea to get out of Woodbury.

talking about Woodbury, even the Governor is more an interesting character even if he's a total freak.


does anyone like Michonne in here? tell me anything else than the Cliché'd "She's a badass silent-warrior with a Katana"


here is what Rumble told me on Facebook

Quote from: RumbleWolf4she's a prototypical bada$$ character, so she tends to be rather popular

like I said, she's popular because she's a """"badass warrior"""" even though I find her boring.

which means people like her only when she kills zombies?
/rant=off

Quote from: gorefan1428 on February 15, 2013, 06:27:59 PM
Thought this episode was great.

sort of like the fact rick is going a little insane

It's just not logical to go through all the crap he's going through and not be a little nuts

He has the pressures of being leader, a new baby, dead wife, he was forced to kill his best friend, and then there's that whole zombie thing.

yeah, I would have found it strange if was ok with all that shit. Hope he'll get over it though.

but I wonder if it's gonna be like the Comic, I know something happens to "Asskicker" Judith (in the comic)

((Side note: am I the only one who can't write "P.o.k.e.r"??? it leads me to a 404 error page if it's all together))

I agree with DK. Why the hell is Michonne so popular? Maybe in the comics she is well written but on this show she is not. She has done nothing but sit and quietly sulk. I have no care for her whatsoever and am glad Rick is giving her shit. Tyrese has had more of an emotional impact and the fuckers only been on 2 episodes.

The only episode I've seen with her is the last one of the second season, and that's exactly the feeling she left me with. I thought "Welp, we're in fan-fiction teritory now.".

You just know she got freaky with those pet zombies she had.

What the fuck? We really cannot write the word "poke.r" without sticking a dot in the middle.

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 15, 2013, 10:48:43 PMI agree with DK. Why the hell is Michonne so popular? Maybe in the comics she is well written but on this show she is not. She has done nothing but sit and quietly sulk. I have no care for her whatsoever and am glad Rick is giving her shit. Tyrese has had more of an emotional impact and the fuckers only been on 2 episodes.

I think you answered your own question. Most people are probably waiting for her to develop more into her comic book character. Besides that, she does kick all kinds of ass, and had zombie pets. I think they're trying to make her the "strong silent type" before making her more characterized... but who knows. I do hope they develop her more, though.

Also poke.r.

EDIT: whoa [*uhoh*]

I really do hope they do something with her. comic book like or not.
Right now even Beth is more an interesting character.


oh and I just watched the sneak peek of 310, can't wait to see what kin of shit will happen, and especially what will Daryl do.

I'm pretty sure he'll come back to the gang, but when and how...

Blackjack.

Edit: I find the forum to be very discriminating against some card games.

Any one else not like the Governor character?

I just find him sort of stale as a villain.


I enjoyed shane as a villain much more

Quote from: gorefan1428 on February 16, 2013, 12:40:11 PM
Any one else not like the Governor character?

I just find him sort of stale as a villain.


I enjoyed shane as a villain much more

True, I agree. Though, being a comicbook  reader I feel compelled to watch for differences.

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 15, 2013, 10:48:43 PM
I agree with DK. Why the hell is Michonne so popular? Maybe in the comics she is well written but on this show she is not. She has done nothing but sit and quietly sulk. I have no care for her whatsoever and am glad Rick is giving her shit. Tyrese has had more of an emotional impact and the fuckers only been on 2 episodes.

I think she's popular because, while everyone else has been struggling to survive in a group, she's survived just as long by herself. Ok, not entirely by herself, she did have two zombies on chains that were lacking arms and their lower mandibles. While on the subject of the chained zombies, am I the only one that finds it a tad bit racist that they had two black zombies in chains?  [*uhoh*]

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Quote from: DeraiLer on February 15, 2013, 10:48:43 PM
I agree with DK. Why the hell is Michonne so popular? Maybe in the comics she is well written but on this show she is not. She has done nothing but sit and quietly sulk. I have no care for her whatsoever and am glad Rick is giving her shit. Tyrese has had more of an emotional impact and the fuckers only been on 2 episodes.

I think she's popular because, while everyone else has been struggling to survive in a group, she's survived just as long by herself. Ok, not entirely by herself, she did have two zombies on chains that were lacking arms and their lower mandibles. While on the subject of the chained zombies, am I the only one that finds it a tad bit racist that they had two black zombies in chains?  [*uhoh*]

I don't think it's racist, She probably knew them.

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Quote from: DeraiLer on February 15, 2013, 10:48:43 PM
I agree with DK. Why the hell is Michonne so popular? Maybe in the comics she is well written but on this show she is not. She has done nothing but sit and quietly sulk. I have no care for her whatsoever and am glad Rick is giving her shit. Tyrese has had more of an emotional impact and the fuckers only been on 2 episodes.

I think she's popular because, while everyone else has been struggling to survive in a group, she's survived just as long by herself. Ok, not entirely by herself, she did have two zombies on chains that were lacking arms and their lower mandibles. While on the subject of the chained zombies, am I the only one that finds it a tad bit racist that they had two black zombies in chains?  [*uhoh*]

I don't think it's racist, She probably knew them.

I know she knew them, but I'm more talking about the fact that the show/comic is by white people and they decide to have black zombies in ragged clothes on chains.

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Quote from: DeraiLer on February 15, 2013, 10:48:43 PM
I agree with DK. Why the hell is Michonne so popular? Maybe in the comics she is well written but on this show she is not. She has done nothing but sit and quietly sulk. I have no care for her whatsoever and am glad Rick is giving her shit. Tyrese has had more of an emotional impact and the fuckers only been on 2 episodes.

I think she's popular because, while everyone else has been struggling to survive in a group, she's survived just as long by herself. Ok, not entirely by herself, she did have two zombies on chains that were lacking arms and their lower mandibles. While on the subject of the chained zombies, am I the only one that finds it a tad bit racist that they had two black zombies in chains?  [*uhoh*]

Yeah, I got that, but we don't know about her past yet. Is she from the ghetto? (Chains would make sense) Why's she a ninja? Pretty decent ninja. I'll suspend accusation until I know more.
I don't think it's racist, She probably knew them.

I know she knew them, but I'm more talking about the fact that the show/comic is by white people and they decide to have black zombies in ragged clothes on chains.

Racist, or strange, or they didn't hink of it that way.

and Deabo, why did you Quoted L-Face and didn't say anything?

you just... quoted him...


OH MY GOD (De) HE'S A WALKER NOW!!!!!!

or he just quoted himself, to change his sentence in a older post...


SO!!!

even if people think she survived alone and it's what makes her """""BADA$$!!"""",    she is still boring.

Quote from: L-Face on February 18, 2013, 03:21:38 AMWhile on the subject of the chained zombies, am I the only one that finds it a tad bit racist that they had two black zombies in chains?  [*uhoh*]

Well I suppose she could have used leashes, but that wouldn't look nearly as badass.

Quote from: Doomed Knight on February 18, 2013, 05:56:04 AM

and Deabo, why did you Quoted L-Face and didn't say anything?

you just... quoted him...

Alcohol. Lots and lots of alcohol.

Quote from: Doomed Knight on February 18, 2013, 05:56:04 AM
and Deabo, why did you Quoted L-Face and didn't say anything?

you just... quoted him...

He did. It's in the quote above mine. The part about possibly being from the ghetto and what not.

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Quote from: DeraiLer on February 15, 2013, 10:48:43 PM
I agree with DK. Why the hell is Michonne so popular? Maybe in the comics she is well written but on this show she is not. She has done nothing but sit and quietly sulk. I have no care for her whatsoever and am glad Rick is giving her shit. Tyrese has had more of an emotional impact and the fuckers only been on 2 episodes.

I think she's popular because, while everyone else has been struggling to survive in a group, she's survived just as long by herself. Ok, not entirely by herself, she did have two zombies on chains that were lacking arms and their lower mandibles. While on the subject of the chained zombies, am I the only one that finds it a tad bit racist that they had two black zombies in chains?  [*uhoh*]

I don't think it's racist, She probably knew them.

I know she knew them, but I'm more talking about the fact that the show/comic is by white people and they decide to have black zombies in ragged clothes on chains.

but she is black to so its all good?

Well this past episode certainly ended on a much more intense note than before. I like it. [*yes*]

Indeed. I thought this one had a bit of a better pace than the mid season premiere did. Especially with Daryl, Merle, and the hispanics (not sure if they were Mexican or not) taking the zombies down on the bridge and the ending really put it over the top. Looks like I was wrong about Axel.  [*laugh*]

yeah, Carol was like, oh shit...

xD

can't wait for the next episode, shit's coming back big time

Quote from: L-Face on February 19, 2013, 05:39:57 AMLooks like I was wrong about Axel.  [*laugh*]

Reminded me of one of the scenes in Django Unchained...

Haven't seen Django yet.....

But after what happened happened, my mouth was agape for a bit. Then I was like, "Damn.....he got Sopranos Series Finaled!"

oh yeah, I wonder what they will do about Merle

they won't let him in just because he helped Rick. that trick doesn't work.

and Glen still want to shoot him on sight.

Oh let Merle join. So he roughed up Glenn and tried to kill Michonne. Glenn needed to nut up and Michonne i dont like so Merle is aces in my book.

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 19, 2013, 09:25:32 AM
Oh let Merle join. So he roughed up Glenn and tried to kill Michonne. Glenn needed to nut up and Michonne i dont like so Merle is aces in my book.

merle is the next main bad guy imo [*deal*]

I kinda like the bad guys here. Merle is definitely a fave and Guvner until last night, hadn't really shown much to show how evil he is. The people writing the show are failing to give him and Michonne the development their characters need to progress the storyline. So far it's just a guy who misses his zombie daughter and a black chick who stands quietly and holds a katana.

Oh and Glenn sucks as a leader.

A guy that murdered an entire platoon, killed a helpless helicopter pilot, and put their heads in fish tanks. Yep, sure haven't shown how evil he was until the episode this past Sunday.  [*rolleyes*]

As for Glen sucking as a leader, he didn't really do any leading. He said "We gotta go after him" and everyone except Michonne was like, "You're fucking stupid."

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 20, 2013, 01:20:19 AMOh and Glenn sucks as a leader.

He's trying too hard. Doesn't help that he's blinding himself with anger either... almost like a kid throwing a tantrum until he gets what he wants.

shit happens when you want to be the good guy out of frustration.

reckless as hell.

Quote from: Doomed Knight on February 20, 2013, 11:04:12 AMshit happens when you want to be the good guy out of frustration.

reckless as hell.

He actually talked about this on the Talking Dead, and brought up a good point. A lot of the time when people get abused/raped, the people closest around them will end up victimizing them and make it worse rather than helping the situation. This is basically what he's doing now... "Me big strong man, me protect tiny defenseless woman."

that explains.
makes sense.

Quote from: L-Face on February 20, 2013, 02:15:22 AM
A guy that murdered an entire platoon, killed a helpless helicopter pilot, and put their heads in fish tanks. Yep, sure haven't shown how evil he was until the episode this past Sunday.  [*rolleyes*]

well you could almost not even consider the first two acts evil. These guys were trained soldiers and the actions could have been taken as just protecting the town. The soldier he had taken in first even said they had abandon their post once before.
plus he was holding out to save his daughter.

I'm sort of with de on this one not much was shown until the last 2 episodes

Quote from: L-Face on February 20, 2013, 02:15:22 AM
A guy that murdered an entire platoon, killed a helpless helicopter pilot, and put their heads in fish tanks. Yep, sure haven't shown how evil he was until the episode this past Sunday.  [*rolleyes*]

And yet, still more likable than Rick. :P

you prefer the Governor over Rick?

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Quote from: L-Face on February 20, 2013, 02:15:22 AM
A guy that murdered an entire platoon, killed a helpless helicopter pilot, and put their heads in fish tanks. Yep, sure haven't shown how evil he was until the episode this past Sunday.  [*rolleyes*]

well you could almost not even consider the first two acts evil. These guys were trained soldiers and the actions could have been taken as just protecting the town.

How is killing a defenseless, bed ridden person "protecting the town?" 

As for the platoon, if his interests were in protecting the town, he could have crafted a better lie than "they were overrun with walkers by the time we got there, so we just took their shit." Could have given a big ass speech about the platoon opening fire on them, not being open to the help the Governor and his men were offering, so the Governor was left with no choice but to kill them. Then say something about how, "It's sad that sometimes the scariest thing about what's going on isn't the Walkers, but ourselves." At least then he would have looked like a sympathetic hero to the town instead of someone who just lucked into the gig.

Killing a defenseless bed ridden person who wasn't part of his community, would suck up resources and food and may have loyalties to others and not you seems more like logic leading than emotion. The world is in shit and you hold the security of your own people priority over all else including outsiders seems like something many factions would come down to doing. Now I wasn't happy when he gunned down the soldiers but if he was right and they did find his place and did decide to take it for themselves, he would have been fucked trying to take on armed, highly trained soldiers. My humanity may have said to give them a chance but my survival instincts would have taken down a possible threat.
The heads in the jar thing was just confusing. They never really explained why those were there until this past episode. hence this episode being the one starting to show just how vile he is. Until now, he was just a hardcore leader with no interest in outsiders.

If sucking up resources or having loyalties to another group were issues or factors in his killing and beheading a bed ridden man, then why did he invite both Andrea and Michonne to stay?

That's a whole different category. End of the world, you wanna stock up on food, ammo and bitches.

They already had plenty of women there, though. Ratio was probably even from what I saw.

I'd say that, the reason why he kills and steals from people like the Army, is because if he would invite them in his city, and they found out his "dirty little secrets" it would be harder to defend against them than a regular Clerk or Doctor.

look how it was easy for him to tell Andrea "live here, be happy, you don't need weapons, do as I say, you'll be happy"

and look how michonne Reacted. you can compare her to the soldier. they pretty much would have reacted the same way.
he wounld't have been able to control them, and maybe the soldiers might have want to take control over Woodbury.


and By having Andrea in his palm, he thought Michonne woulnd't do shit.

Quote from: L-Face on February 21, 2013, 03:11:51 AM
They already had plenty of women there, though. Ratio was probably even from what I saw.

I want a specific count of men to women ratio! now!

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How 'bout no, Scott?

Quote from: Doomed Knight on February 21, 2013, 03:14:00 AMI'd say that, the reason why he kills and steals from people like the Army, is because if he would invite them in his city, and they found out his "dirty little secrets" it would be harder to defend against them than a regular Clerk or Doctor.

look how it was easy for him to tell Andrea "live here, be happy, you don't need weapons, do as I say, you'll be happy"

and look how michonne Reacted. you can compare her to the soldier. they pretty much would have reacted the same way.
he wounld't have been able to control them, and maybe the soldiers might have want to take control over Woodbury.


and By having Andrea in his palm, he thought Michonne woulnd't do shit.

Never really thought of the whole comparison of Andrea/Michonne to civilians/soldiers before. I mean... I knew the similarities were there, just not that precise comparison. Pretty neat.

Quote from: Doomed Knight on February 21, 2013, 03:14:00 AM
I'd say that, the reason why he kills and steals from people like the Army, is because if he would invite them in his city, and they found out his "dirty little secrets" it would be harder to defend against them than a regular Clerk or Doctor.

Thing is, bringing the army to Woodbury seems as if it was never an option for the Governor. He went after them with the intent of killing them and taking their stuff. In doing so, I think a glimpse of how sadistic he could be was shown. Instead of straight up killing them, which would have been pretty dastardly, he says, "Hey, we found your friend the pilot we have him in our town. We can take you to him if you like." Then he executes them. It was an action that makes it seem as if he's the kind of guy that plays with his food before he eats it which was kind of furthered in his assault on the prison. Instead of finishing the job, he kills one person and then fires wildly in the air.

The show has failed to convey it effectively. Shooting the soldiers moment just had us saying "wtf? ok.." same as the heads in jars scenes. i think they need to work on their presentation more because scenes that should have punch just fail to impact.

I understand the way L explained it, to show that Governor is fucked up. sadistic and w/e.
but De is Right about the presentation too.

yeah ok first time we saw the Aquarium with the heads we are like "wtf" which is pretty much what they wanted to show. he is crazy.
but when he explained why... I'm sorry but no. no normal person would put heads in a jar to "get used to the dead, and what's happening outside" he is fucked up.

and Andrea kinda understood it... she's dumb.

(((for his little girl, to think she would come back, I say that's ok. not the first time we see that, think back to Herschel's family.)))

we do not even know why he built a city. he just wanted his daughter back. the citizen didn't do shit except "partying".
they didn't even build ressources. he just had to be with his mercenary and his Scientist.
he didn't need others.
for his own fun because he couldn't play the Sims anymore?

that part was just to explain that I don't understand this character, I don't find him underdeveloped (like Michonne) I just find him weird, and I don't get why Dorkus likes him better as a Chef than Rick.
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I understand the fact that a character might take time to develop. just look at Carl, he might be growing into something big, in the Comic, he's one badass Survivor.
Beth is just there to be there, and she's the one takes care of the baby. but she doesn't do anything great/outstanding, so we don't need to understand her for now.

but when it comes to a Big character, especially who's the main Antagonist, someone we will see a lot, we need to hate him. (and we need good actors too to feel it, Ex: Merle) but not only that.

but if it's over in the next epsiode or two, they clear out  the zombie, go for the Governor and kill him. andrea gets back (or not, who cares I hate her)
will anything change? Will the group be stronger? Will they understand somethong trivial in life to survive longer?
was that season a great developpement?  or was it just to get Merle back in the group IF he comes back.

the second season: "we look for sophia" I thought it was more interesting.


aaaaaand I don't remember where I was going with that. let's just say I gave another of my opinion about the show.

I love the show, but there are some Characters that I don't understand.

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 21, 2013, 03:04:59 AM
That's a whole different category. End of the world, you wanna stock up on food, ammo and bitches.

Quote from: L-Face on February 21, 2013, 03:11:51 AM
They already had plenty of women there, though. Ratio was probably even from what I saw.

no one likes a sausage party  [*tsktsk*]  except maybe shadow, even is not acceptable

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 21, 2013, 12:57:35 PM
The show has failed to convey it effectively. Shooting the soldiers moment just had us saying "wtf? ok.." same as the heads in jars scenes. i think they need to work on their presentation more because scenes that should have punch just fail to impact.

To me, I think they've done a pretty good job in their presentation. With the few things he's done, I've know that he was a character that's supposed to be hated. Right now, he's all but twirling a mustache while standing over a chick tied to the train tracks as a horde of walkers closes in.

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Quote from: DeraiLer on February 21, 2013, 12:57:35 PM
The show has failed to convey it effectively. Shooting the soldiers moment just had us saying "wtf? ok.." same as the heads in jars scenes. i think they need to work on their presentation more because scenes that should have punch just fail to impact.

To me, I think they've done a pretty good job in their presentation. With the few things he's done, I've know that he was a character that's supposed to be hated. Right now, he's all but twirling a mustache while standing over a chick tied to the train tracks as a horde of walkers closes in.

for the fact that we are suppose to hate him, yes, we do. don't really have any choices since last episode anyway...

but I still think he's missing something. but if he disapears next episode, meh.



oh yeah that confused me too for a second x)

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just watched the latest episode and it was good


Must say after this one andrea needs to die. Before didn't care for her character one way or the other but she just keeps doing stupid crap.

Really? I'm thinking they're finally going to pull her out of her slump.

won't be until tonight or tomorow that I'll be able to watch it.

but I always thought that Andrea needed to die xD

I don't hate Andrea. She has enjoyed both life in Ricks group and Governors and simply wants peace between the two camps and a resolution where rick and the group can live in woodsbury in safety with her. She is the one sane mind in between Ricks fractured psyche and Governors bloodlust.

Nice to see Carol have a little darkness in her. Telling Andrea to fuck then kill the Governor lol. Also I liked the reunion moment between Carol and Daryl. They are a couple I want to happen.

Hershell barking at Rick was needed. Hell, Carl might be right and let hershell and Daryl take the lead this time until Rick gets his shit together.

The most Michonne has spoken all season. And she comes off as petty. Ok, let's stick with Silence, katana girl.

Tyrese joins governor?? WTF?

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 26, 2013, 05:41:09 AMI don't hate Andrea. She has enjoyed both life in Ricks group and Governors and simply wants peace between the two camps and a resolution where rick and the group can live in woodsbury in safety with her. She is the one sane mind in between Ricks fractured psyche and Governors bloodlust.

Nice to see Carol have a little darkness in her. Telling Andrea to fuck then kill the Governor lol. Also I liked the reunion moment between Carol and Daryl. They are a couple I want to happen.

Hershell barking at Rick was needed. Hell, Carl might be right and let hershell and Daryl take the lead this time until Rick gets his shit together.

The most Michonne has spoken all season. And she comes off as petty. Ok, let's stick with Silence, katana girl.

Tyrese joins governor?? WTF?

And with this post I just realized I totally forgot that yesterday was Sunday, and that I missed the latest episode of The Walking Dead...

[*explodinghead*]

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 26, 2013, 05:41:09 AM
The most Michonne has spoken all season. And she comes off as petty. Ok, let's stick with Silence, katana girl.

You mean the person that thought she had a friend in Andrea, saved her life and kept her alive only for Andrea to turn around and flip her off over a bed and a shower is pissed? Shock of all shocks right there.

Yes I mean the girl who wanted to accept a warm shower and safe bed to sleep on over the girl who wanted to go back out into the zombie infested woods in the dark. Oh Andrea, you are sooo insane!

F Michonne. Everyone here would join the governors camp if in the same situation. Not choose to go back out AT NIGHT which is what it was when Michonne said they should leave. So the guy running the place keeps heads in his bedroom. Just do your part and stay safe in the Zombie apocalypse.

It's a zombie apocalypse, there's no such thing as safe. You've got crazy assholes like Shane, two douchebags that after you save them want to kill you and take what you've got, bandits/outlaws, and a hordes upon hordes of Walkers. Also, even if Michonne may have come off as stupid by suggesting they leave at dark, Andrea used her technique of disarming a zombie to get to the prison, so it's not like they can't get to point B. Would have been better than getting caught up in the Governor's shit, which is what's happening to Andrea right now.

You say that knowing the Governor is batshit from the comics. They did not know him at all. Just a guy who caught them, brought them to his town and offered them shelter there. He even explained killing the soldier because "We all turn in the end" Realistically, Andrea made the best choice. As a show, Michonne made the entertaining one. To keep fighting everyone and everything. Fine, go be an unrealistic caricature. Andrea has shown more depth in her reactions and conflicts with siding with both camps. There is real development going on whereas Michonne is still just a quiet, flat character. You mention it was stupid suggesting they leave in the dark but then mention they would be better off doing so. So I guess the stupid move is the one for you. Andrea is conflicted because she is fighting a more complex scenario. One she could work to her benefit but after seeing the scene with her and Michonne last night, it's clear the writers are not interested in that route. They just wanna make her look idiotic. Shame, she is in a position to do real change right now.

That's the thing: I don't know him from the comics. I stopped reading before he showed up. I had no foreknowledge of him. At first I was like, "Ok, he's not a bad guy. Finally some breathing room from all the craziness that's gone on so......did he just murder those troops? K, guess he is a bit of a dick." Never called Michonne stupid for wanting to leave at dark. That is the feeling I got by you bringing that up. So if anything it was you implying that she was stupid and I disagree.

Apparently being pissed off about something and feeling betrayed by someone you thought was your friend isn't showing emotion. Nope, still an emotionless character. Her wanting to survive instead of having a false sense of security in an area where she knows something isn't right is completely irrational. Yep, completely irrational.

She doesn't "know" somethign isn't right, she feels something isn't right. A big difference that separates her from Andrea. Andrea was willing to give it a shot, whereas Michonne wasn't. Considering the situation, zombie apocalypse, the smarter option would probably be to accept the offer to stay and just, as Tyrese says, do their part and earn their keep. A guy who knows that getting into a safe haven matters.

Quote from: L-Face on February 27, 2013, 03:51:41 AM
Never called Michonne stupid for wanting to leave at dark. That is the feeling I got by you bringing that up. So if anything it was you implying that she was stupid and I disagree.

Sooo, she wasn't stupid for wanting to leave after dark?

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 27, 2013, 04:08:03 AM
She doesn't "know" somethign isn't right, she feels something isn't right. A big difference that separates her from Andrea. Andrea was willing to give it a shot, whereas Michonne wasn't. Considering the situation, zombie apocalypse, the smarter option would probably be to accept the offer to stay and just, as Tyrese says, do their part and earn their keep. A guy who knows that getting into a safe haven matters.

Considering that it turned out she was right, I can chalk that up as being right/knowing something is wrong. Also, there's that word again. "Safe" is non existent in the zombie apocalypse, especially when they aren't the only enemy. Beware the dead, fear the living. Believe that's the tagline for this season. Fitting.

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 27, 2013, 04:08:03 AM
Sooo, she wasn't stupid for wanting to leave after dark?

Nope. She's proven she can handle herself, whether it be with a group or by herself.

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 27, 2013, 04:08:03 AM
She doesn't "know" somethign isn't right, she feels something isn't right. A big difference that separates her from Andrea. =

Quote from: L-Face on February 27, 2013, 03:51:41 AM
Never called Michonne stupid for wanting to leave at dark. That is the feeling I got by you bringing that up. So if anything it was you implying that she was stupid and I disagree.

Sooo, she wasn't stupid for wanting to leave after dark?

Well by all accounts she is a character that has lived and survived on pure instinct alone. So, it seems logical that she would trust her instinct in this situation.  I would have to say if i was in a town with people  with an armada of weapons and i felt something wasn't right , night would be the correct choice to go. If her instinct was correct and these guys were bad news they wouldn't just let them walk right out the front gate.

Also she has shown she can handle walkers.  Better to deal with the devil you know than the devil you don't?

Why exactly was she right to leave? They were given a geen light to live there. They had it in the bag. No one was harming them. They were offered shelter from the outer chaos. Andrea still lives there unscathed. Fucking, eating, bathing. It would have been a good place for Michonne and her abilities to be used but she chose to not want to conform to the Governors easy demands and thus incurred his wrath. No matter what group you find yourself in, you will have to abide by their laws. His seemed to be "Just do your part" Not too shabby for the benefits offered.

I just getting to see Tyrese and that fucker has the right mind set. Find a group, offer to be a part of it and earn your keep! Best way to survive is to find shelter and surround yourself with others against the massive onslaught of zombies.

I think Tyrese is soon going to be my new favourite character, which is why they'll kill him off no doubt.

I dunno, I thought he was a big player in the comics from what I hear so he might be around a bit. With Daryl and Merle around, the characters have definitely starting improving.

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 28, 2013, 05:17:38 AM
Why exactly was she right to leave? They were given a geen light to live there. They had it in the bag. No one was harming them. They were offered shelter from the outer chaos. Andrea still lives there unscathed. Fucking, eating, bathing. It would have been a good place for Michonne and her abilities to be used but she chose to not want to conform to the Governors easy demands and thus incurred his wrath. No matter what group you find yourself in, you will have to abide by their laws. His seemed to be "Just do your part" Not too shabby for the benefits offered.

She was right because she had a bad feeling about the place that turned out to be true. I have always been taught that if something is too good to be true, it probably is. Think about it  just about every group you see on the show including ricks group is harsh to the ideal of letting in outsiders, even hershal was.So, along comes this guy that looks like a crocked car dealer coming to them with open arms saying come into my town enjoy our things, would that not give you pause? I know it would me.

She was right because she had a bad feeling about the place that turned out to be true.
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Aside from the governor, the rest of the town seems normal with people living nicely. The Governor doesn't seem to impose some tyrannical control over them, provides shelter, food and water and even provides entertainment to keep the citizens amused. How exactly was she right about it being a bad place? It seems the only ones to fear are those on the outside and all groups are like that. So how exactly was getting offered a place among them bad?

Quote from: DeraiLer on February 28, 2013, 01:24:48 PM

She was right because she had a bad feeling about the place that turned out to be true.

Aside from the governor, the rest of the town seems normal with people living nicely. The Governor doesn't seem to impose some tyrannical control over them, provides shelter, food and water and even provides entertainment to keep the citizens amused. How exactly was she right about it being a bad place? It seems the only ones to fear are those on the outside and all groups are like that. So how exactly was getting offered a place among them bad?
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At the time they didn't know anything about the town or kind of control he had, they were just locked in a room, had there weapons taken away, and guarded by soldiers. It was just the bad feeling she had about the place. Have you not ever had a bad feeling and think to your self man i need to get the fuck out of this situation?

There is no 100% right or wrong here, just  matter of opinion, an interesting discussion none the less though.

They should probably give Michonne a backstory explaining her coldness.

Infact, lack of backstory is a big weak point of the show. I'm not saying they should go all Lost with the flashbacks but it would be nice to have some more meat on the characters. All we really know is that Rick was a cop with a shaky marriage, Shane banged a highschool teacher, and Daryl once wiped his ass with poison ivy.

Quote from: Dorkus on February 28, 2013, 01:45:58 PM
They should probably give Michonne a backstory explaining her coldness.

Infact, lack of backstory is a big weak point of the show. I'm not saying they should go all Lost with the flashbacks but it would be nice to have some more meat on the characters. All we really know is that Rick was a cop with a shaky marriage, Shane banged a highschool teacher, and Daryl once wiped his ass with poison ivy.

I agree with you there more of a back story would be nice but they do gives glimpses here and there like where merle and daryl were talking about how their father abused them when it showed the scars on daryl's back.

Honestly, I'm fine with how they're doing things. The scene Gore mentioned with Merle and Daryl worked really well due to how both Michael Rooker and Norman Reedus acted it out, the emotion they showed did a better job of painting the story than a flashback could have in my opinion. I would like a bit more explanation for Michonne's back story, possibly some confirmation on the identities on the two walkers she was traveling with. Though, something tells me that's either really far off or never going to be brought up.

Still wondering about the one loose end in the entire show: Where the FUCK are Morgan and Duane?  [*angry*]

And when will we see zombie Jim?

And why does Ghost Shane have Wolverines hair?

Quote from: DeraiLer on March 01, 2013, 09:24:00 AM
And why does Ghost Shane have Wolverines hair?

That was actually explained on the Talking Dead. Apparently, Jon Bernthal (Shane) was shooting a movie at the time and couldn't shave/cut his hair. So Ghost Shane had a beard and his old hair do.

Okay... hopefully I don't forget that the show is on tonight. I'll need to tune in a little earlier to catch up with the last one, too.

Tonight they finally gave Michonne some depth. She showed signs of persona and I liked and rooted for her for the first time since she debuted. If the writers start giving more life to these people, this could get more enjoyable. Carl is still showing signs of being a bad mofo and I think he will be a great leader in the future.

Also Morgan had some powerful scenes. Man he brought the dread with his acting.

Also, poor hitchhiker.

Quote from: DeraiLer on March 04, 2013, 01:25:51 PM
Tonight they finally gave Michonne some depth. She showed signs of persona and I liked and rooted for her for the first time since she debuted. If the writers start giving more life to these people, this could get more enjoyable. Carl is still showing signs of being a bad mofo and I think he will be a great leader in the future.

Also Morgan had some powerful scenes. Man he brought the dread with his acting.

Also, poor hitchhiker.

Only through the first 15 minutes so far and I'm already starting to notice all of this stuff. Fucking fantastic. [*thumbsup*]

Quote from: DeraiLer on March 04, 2013, 01:25:51 PM
Tonight they finally gave Michonne some depth. She showed signs of persona and I liked and rooted for her for the first time since she debuted. If the writers start giving more life to these people, this could get more enjoyable. Carl is still showing signs of being a bad mofo and I think he will be a great leader in the future.

Also Morgan had some powerful scenes. Man he brought the dread with his acting.

Also, poor hitchhiker.

Agree with all of this. It was a great episode for sure. Honestly, I want to see more of Morgan's world. Maybe something like the Sam Axe movies from Burn Notice or something. I think in his craziness, Morgan may have snapped some sense into Rick. That was the first time I'd seen Rick smile in a while.

Also, next week's episode should be interesting. Rick and the Governor meeting face to face.

I definitely like what they're doing with Michonne... she's finally getting some development. Same with Andrea...she's finally conflicted about her situation, rather than caring for comfort and power.

I think Rick sort of summed up the situation he saw in Morgan... Morgan saved his life once, and Rick was able to pull through, so now he's finally seeing he was only at the tipping point... that things could be so much worse for him. I'm really curious how they're going to write more of Morgan in.

And naturally, Carl is still becoming more of a little asskicker than his sister. Which I have no problem with at all. When he popped from around that corner I had an "Oh shit!" moment.

lol Carl just came out of nowhere and BAM! Shoots Morgan down.

Quote from: DeraiLer on March 05, 2013, 10:10:14 AMlol Carl just came out of nowhere and BAM! Shoots Morgan down.

I got a kick out of Rick's reaction after that. Looked like he wasn't sure if he should be pissed or impressed. [*laugh*]

I don't think Rick's reaction was a "pissed/impressed" thing. More of a "Despite me doing things like that, he shouldn't have had to have done that himself." because there was absolutely no hesitation from Carl, it was natural. Popped out from behind the corner and *BAM!* To me, that shows just how bad things have become in their world. That without thought, Carl would take a life if it meant protecting the people he cares about. But then he has that moment with Michonne and then tells Rick, "I think she's one of us." It shows that, despite his mentality towards a threat, there's still humanity in him.

So far, this portion of season 3 seems to be a bit about redemption. I like it.

yep, Michonne is going somewhere. I just hope she's no going to die in the next episode.

as for Carl, I really do hope he gets badass, because in the comic he is.
even though they don't actually follow the comic but meh, it's still good.

and as for the hitchhiker, I was sure, so sure, that after they got his Bag, he would come out of the wood, and be like "shit, where's my bag, I was just gone for a number 2!!!"

Well, there was no way the hitchhiker could have piped up considering that was him smeared all over the pavement as they drove by.

I know, but still would have been funny

Very good episode

like the rest of you i like what they did with Michonne here, she even had a moment that made me laugh.


The thing about the hitchhiker sort of erks me a bit . Rick is to high and mighty to offer help to outsider, but just think of where he would be without the help of strangers. Glen and Morgan could have easily left him to be zombie chow yet he can't help a guy alone screaming for help.

http://imgur.com/0Xnl3SN

Quote from: gorefan1428 on March 06, 2013, 09:08:11 PM
Rick is to high and mighty to offer help to outsider

Not to mention the fact he needs soldiers of his own for the battle with the governor.

Considering the Governor's soldiers amounts to a bunch of people that needed protection provided by him, I think Rick has the advantage in Daryl, Merle, and Michonne.

Also, considering the dude was loud and obnoxious in his approach in trying to get Rick and the group to pick him up, he would have been a weak link. Right now, the group Rick has is fairly tight knit. Only questionable member is Beth since she hasn't really done much outside of looking after Little Asskicker.

Michonne should work great if they in a sword fight. She can't shoot for shit. [*laugh*]

Quote from: DeraiLer on March 07, 2013, 08:08:27 AM

Quote from: gorefan1428 on March 06, 2013, 09:08:11 PM
Rick is to high and mighty to offer help to outsider

Not to mention the fact he needs soldiers of his own for the battle with the governor.

yep there is that also

Quote from: L-Face on March 07, 2013, 08:36:37 AM

Also, considering the dude was loud and obnoxious in his approach in trying to get Rick and the group to pick him up, he would have been a weak link. Right now, the group Rick has is fairly tight knit. Only questionable member is Beth since she hasn't really done much outside of looking after Little Asskicker.

loud and obnoxious?

he was yelling at a moving car and at a car from a mile away while out in the open in all kinds of danger, what was he supposed to do?

Quote from: L-Face on March 07, 2013, 08:36:37 AM
Considering the Governor's soldiers amounts to a bunch of people that needed protection provided by him, I think Rick has the advantage in Daryl, Merle, and Michonne.

numbers it's all about the numbers

5 to 1 in a gunfight that advantage will go away fast

Quoteloud and obnoxious?

he was yelling at a moving car and at a car from a mile away while out in the open in all kinds of danger, what was he supposed to do?

Seeing as he made it that long without dying, he should have known not to yell. Ever. Loud noises attract the walkers, so he brought his death upon himself.

Quotenumbers it's all about the numbers

5 to 1 in a gunfight that advantage will go away fast

If those numbers couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, skill beats numbers.

Quote from: DeraiLer on March 07, 2013, 06:10:41 PM
Michonne should work great if they in a sword fight. She can't shoot for shit. [*laugh*]

She's kinda like the female Glenn. She can sneak really well, so that's her advantage.

Quote from: DeraiLer on March 07, 2013, 06:10:41 PM
Michonne should work great if they in a sword fight. She can't shoot for shit. [*laugh*]

She'll bounce the bullets back at them like a lightsaber.

if she does I would now consider her badass


oh I forgot to quote something from L

Quote from: L-Face on March 07, 2013, 08:36:37 AM
questionable member is Beth since she hasn't really done much outside of looking after Little Asskicker.

yeah but at least she doesn't have big screen events. 
the only thing I remember about her, is she once cried because of her mother, she tried to kill herself, she used a gun once when the governor attacked, and she takes care of asskicker.

whe I see her I'm like "hey it's beth. oh bye beth"

it's not like Michonne who had a lot of screen, participated in a lot of action sequence, and still her character was Dull. (until last episode which was a big modofcation)

so yes, she hasn't done much, but at least she wasn't always there doing the big shit.
but though it is sad she didn't get much developpement considering the fact that she's been there since season 2.

lil asskicker needs to start pulling her weight and maybe pick up a gun or two. Lazy fuckin baby.

Quote from: L-Face on March 08, 2013, 04:11:49 AM
She's kinda like the female Glenn. She can sneak really well, so that's her advantage.

I like how they say she can teleport referencing how she got to the roof so fast and then also when she went back into bar and got Carls pic for him in like 30 seconds.  [*laugh*]

I was wondering the exact same thing! I'm assuming they just "sped up" the scene for time saving sake. Would still be a funny, though.

Quote from: DeraiLer on March 08, 2013, 10:22:44 AM
lil asskicker needs to start pulling her weight and maybe pick up a gun or two. Lazy fuckin baby.

Quote from: L-Face on March 08, 2013, 04:11:49 AM
She's kinda like the female Glenn. She can sneak really well, so that's her advantage.

I like how they say she can teleport referencing how she got to the roof so fast and then also when she went back into bar and got Carls pic for him in like 30 seconds.  [*laugh*]

It was a very "Jason Takes Manhattan" moment for sure.  [*laugh*]

Quote from: L-Face on March 08, 2013, 04:11:49 AM

Quoteloud and obnoxious?

he was yelling at a moving car and at a car from a mile away while out in the open in all kinds of danger, what was he supposed to do?

Seeing as he made it that long without dying, he should have known not to yell. Ever. Loud noises attract the walkers, so he brought his death upon himself.

Quotenumbers it's all about the numbers

5 to 1 in a gunfight that advantage will go away fast

If those numbers couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, skill beats numbers.

True yelling was probably not the best of ideals and lead to his demise.

But, he also said he was exhausted so he probably figured he wasn't going to make it that much longer anyway.

Quote from: L-Face on March 08, 2013, 04:11:49 AM

Quoteloud and obnoxious?

Quotenumbers it's all about the numbers

5 to 1 in a gunfight that advantage will go away fast

If those numbers couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, skill beats numbers.

Agreed but who's to say that the govener's side doesn't have several that are of the same or higher skill.

I seem to recall that guy taking a sniper bullet to the face. [*hibaby*]

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't that the Governor that shot Axel?

he sure did

Didn't hurt he no longer has to close that second eye to aim.

Okay. Going to need to remember Walking Dead is on tonight. Haven't seen the preview trailer from last week about it... wonder if I should give it a peek now or ignore it.

Quote from: Shadow on March 11, 2013, 06:09:11 AM
Okay. Going to need to remember Walking Dead is on tonight. Haven't seen the preview trailer from last week about it... wonder if I should give it a peek now or ignore it.

I'd say ignore it so you can be surprised. It should be interesting.

This episode was sorely needed. The convo the past few weeks has been about how a peace can be found or if it is a fools dream and hearing both sides, and not just Rick and the Governors, but their underlings too, gave us a much deeper look into the situation. On one hand it was amazing watching the two leaders converse but on the other it was also good watching Daryl and Martinez bond with a smoke and that one-up zombie bashing was just a great scene. It was two soldiers knowing that even if they want this to end, it is out of their hands and they will follow their leaders orders when the call is given. Really good writing there. In fact, the last couple episodes has been superb writing. Finally characters are fleshed out. Michonne seems real and not just a caricature anymore, Maggie still fuckin hot as hell and even Beth got a little trigger happy.

The final act with Rick and Hershell was nothing short of good storytelling. No black and white situations here. Lots and lots of grey. As much as I like good zombie mayhem, good character scenes are also welcomed and these past two episodes have delivered.

Couldn't agree more. This was a great, tension filled episode. I was on edge for a lot of it, but there were some great humorous moments to ease the mood a bit. The interaction between Daryl and Martinez (them one-upping each other) and even the interaction between Herschell and Milton had some humorous dialog. Now, we're getting down to the nitty gritty. With a few more episodes left, things should be interesting. I'm expecting heavy casualties on both sides. The problem is aside from Milton, Martinez, and the Governor, I don't think the losses, from a character perspective, will be as great as the losses on Rick's side that may happen.

How dare you diminish the impact of losing Woodbury townsfolk # 1, Woodbury townsfolk # 2, Woodbury townsfolk # 3...

Motherfuckers. I guess they recently stopped doing DST, so it went back to it's original time. Here I thought I was flipping the tv on 15 minutes early when in reality I missed it! [*angry*]

Turn in your Walking Dead card. You have disgraced fellow fans with your constantly missing the show every Sunday.

This is the Governor's doing, I'm sure.

Quote from: DeraiLer on March 11, 2013, 12:21:12 PM
This episode was sorely needed. The convo the past few weeks has been about how a peace can be found or if it is a fools dream and hearing both sides, and not just Rick and the Governors, but their underlings too, gave us a much deeper look into the situation. On one hand it was amazing watching the two leaders converse but on the other it was also good watching Daryl and Martinez bond with a smoke and that one-up zombie bashing was just a great scene. It was two soldiers knowing that even if they want this to end, it is out of their hands and they will follow their leaders orders when the call is given. Really good writing there. In fact, the last couple episodes has been superb writing. Finally characters are fleshed out. Michonne seems real and not just a caricature anymore, Maggie still fuckin hot as hell and even Beth got a little trigger happy.

The final act with Rick and Hershell was nothing short of good storytelling. No black and white situations here. Lots and lots of grey. As much as I like good zombie mayhem, good character scenes are also welcomed and these past two episodes have delivered.

can't say anything more. episode was great for developpement. I knew at the end Governor would still be an ass, but it's kool that Rick didn't fall for it, he still has his doubts when he speaks with hershel, but he still doesn't feel it.

Three episodes left. Never thought it was possible to both be excited and bummed at the same time.

yep.

and I also wonder what will happen in season 4...

Quote from: gorefan1428 on March 06, 2013, 09:08:11 PM


The thing about the hitchhiker sort of erks me a bit . Rick is to high and mighty to offer help to outsider, but just think of where he would be without the help of strangers. Glen and Morgan could have easily left him to be zombie chow yet he can't help a guy alone screaming for help.

THANK YOU.

I really don't understand what purpose the hitchhiker part served. It showed that Rick is no longer a hero and wont help strangers, despite him still being alive thanks to one (well done on repaying him, btw, he's now insane)...and that's about it. It's completely puzzling that the writers think this makes for an appealing character trait. He even drove away Tyrese, who only wants to help and is now Woodsburys gain.

Don't give me no "it was too risky" tripe. THEY WERE IN A CAR.

Infact why are we rooting for Ricks group over Woodsbury? Because Woodsbury has an evil leader? Just overthrow him and you have a community that doesn't kick people out.

Quote from: Dorkus on March 14, 2013, 08:23:54 AM
I really don't understand what purpose the hitchhiker part served. It showed that Rick is no longer a hero and wont help strangers, despite him still being alive thanks to one (well done on repaying him, btw, he's now insane)...and that's about it. It's completely puzzling that the writers think this makes for an appealing character trait. He even drove away Tyrese, who only wants to help and is now Woodsburys gain.

Yep, Rick's group does nothing but throw people out. Guess Oscar, Axel, Michonne, and even Merle don't count as bringing people in. Maybe if Rick saw something in the hitchhiker he could have used, he would have picked him up. Also, turning Tyrese and his group away was for their own safety considering Rick, in that moment, snapped and was waving a fucking gun around. And really? Gonna blame Rick for Morgan's insanity? That's a bit unfair considering Morgan admitted that the shit storm that rained down upon him was his own fucking fault.

Quote from: Dorkus on March 14, 2013, 08:23:54 AM
Infact why are we rooting for Ricks group over Woodsbury? Because Woodsbury has an evil leader? Just overthrow him and you have a community that doesn't kick people out.

Maybe it has to do with the fact that Rick's group has more members we can name than Woodbury does? You know, characters that are fleshed out (one starting to become fleshed out.) Characters we've spent two and a half seasons of run time with.

Exactly! Tyrese left because Rick, the leader, was waving a gun around due to a moment of insanity. So tell me, why should he be a leader? He's leaning on insanity, he has no longterm goal and he drives away potentially valuable new members. Daryl is just as good at killing walkers and Hershel is more capable of making rational decisions. Even Glenn could do the job if he controls his rage.

I'm sorry, this show has not convinced me that Rick is fit to lead, and I'm waiting for the writers to either replace him or redeem him.

You don't need to know the members of Woodbury. It's clear that their goal is to rebuild, and that sounds better to me than team Ricks goal of slowly dieing off.

maybe Rick is not fit to be a leader anymore, but he is still in the team and the first Main character.

all I know is they won't be with woodbsbury after getting rid of the Governor, because we need shit to happen in season 4.
or if they do merge, it won't be for long, because we ne shit to hapen.

it's only 3 episodes left, so either they make him less insane, or he stays like that and they change leader or not.
as long as the story in coherent wth his action, and that the story is still good, I don't really care if he stays the leader.

Quote from: Dorkus on March 14, 2013, 01:16:14 PM
Exactly! Tyrese left because Rick, the leader, was waving a gun around due to a moment of insanity. So tell me, why should he be a leader? He's leaning on insanity, he has no longterm goal and he drives away potentially valuable new members. Daryl is just as good at killing walkers and Hershel is more capable of making rational decisions. Even Glenn could do the job if he controls his rage.

I'm sorry, this show has not convinced me that Rick is fit to lead, and I'm waiting for the writers to either replace him or redeem him.

You don't need to know the members of Woodbury. It's clear that their goal is to rebuild, and that sounds better to me than team Ricks goal of slowly dieing off.

He drove away one potentially valuable member. Even that's arguable considering said member needed a child's help to remain alive. No long term goal? Guess survival doesn't count, otherwise he wouldn't be racking up a body count. To me, that sounds better off than the sham that is Woodbury.

Woodbury is only a sham due to who is running it. Kill off the big man and what do you have? A walker-free town with plenty of female genitalia and an assload of supplies. If Andrea had just done her job, she could be running it.


I think we see survival differently. You see it as forming a small but tight group of zombie ass-kickers, I see it as rebuilding a large group in a safehaven and helping as many people as possible. Neither way is really wrong but as a believer of the latter method I'm getting annoyed at the show telling me that Rick is the good guy. I pretty much disagree with everything about him.

In a show when the humans are becoming more of a threat to each other than the walkers, the only way a group looking to rebuild and make a safe haven would require a small, tight knit group of ass kickers to protect them. There's no reason The Governor's group and Rick's group couldn't co-exist (which is even what Rick suggested for the most part in the last episode) other than the Governor's bruised ego.

As far as Rick being the good guy/hero goes, I think those days are long since over. He hasn't really been much of a good guy since the first season or so. The way I see him right now is the lesser of two evils and I think that's what the writers are going for.

Quote from: Dorkus on March 15, 2013, 07:26:06 AM
If Andrea had just done her job, she could be running it.

That would have been the ideal option but we all know the writers do not want a safe haven for Rick and Co. Kirkman and the other writers will find a way to destroy the city and force Rick to leave the prison and go back on the search for a new place. Sad but I don't see any good outcome coming. Ever.

Is there ever really a good outcome when the setting is a zombie apocalypse? Sure, Tallahassee got his Twinkie and Columbus got the girl, but they were still under constant threat from zombies. All endings are bitter sweet or super tragic. 

Quote from: DeraiLer on March 15, 2013, 10:10:41 AM

Quote from: Dorkus on March 15, 2013, 07:26:06 AM
If Andrea had just done her job, she could be running it.

That would have been the ideal option but we all know the writers do not want a safe haven for Rick and Co. Kirkman and the other writers will find a way to destroy the city and force Rick to leave the prison and go back on the search for a new place. Sad but I don't see any good outcome coming. Ever.

i agree as long as the how goes on there has to be disorder and a feeling of something bad could happen at any moment otherwise would we stay tuned if everything was going well?

I don't necessarily think the show will not have a good outcome, but that will come at the end of it's run.

I honestly can't see the show having a good outcome. They introduce new characters a lot. Eventually, the new characters are going to replace the characters we're accustomed to and it'll kinda be like starting from square one. Only, we'll still be in the same mess......only somehow worse. It's dark and doesn't pull it's punches, which to me is refreshing from a lot of what's churned out now a days.

Quote from: L-Face on March 17, 2013, 03:29:36 PM
I honestly can't see the show having a good outcome. They introduce new characters a lot. Eventually, the new characters are going to replace the characters we're accustomed to and it'll kinda be like starting from square one. Only, we'll still be in the same mess......only somehow worse. It's dark and doesn't pull it's punches, which to me is refreshing from a lot of what's churned out now a days.

I think that is a very possible outcome down the road, feel like Carl will take over in later seasons though and maybe leave him with another familiar face.


The reason i say there is a chance it could end in a positive way is because it seems like every zombie related film iv ever seen ends in a bad or negative way. Just feel like the show writers might wanna do something different at the end and end on a positive note, since the show seems to break away from other norms such as killing off main characters ect.

Tonights episode was pretty much time filler. Nothing much was advanced. Little of interest. I guess they just needed to stretch out the season. Oh well. Next week looks good.

Considering it ended the way it did, I'd say Andrea is proper fucked. I won't be shedding any tears. Also, it's official. The Governor is now a post apocalyptic Bond villain.

haha, it seems she's going to be the tortur test.

but meh, the way I see it she won't even die...

can't she try?

I will say this season has the potential for the best season finale yet.

(http://i.imgur.com/kB7vySt.png)

While that picture is mildly amusing, that's kind of how the zombie medium has always been. Ever since the original Night of the Living Dead. It was social commentary. In a time of crisis, could people pull together, or would they make the same mistakes they made before the outbreak? It's a good dynamic/formula. Since it's not broken, no need to fix it.

Walking Dead writers, stop offing the interesting characters and start offing the dead weight weak ones!

Well, they kinda did that too......Ben's gone.

But yeah, R.I.P Merle. Also, there was a pretty nice nod to Dawn of the Dead in last night's episode.  [*thumbsup*]

Merle was one of the best things on the show now he is gone. This show could benefit from him, Shane and a couple other characters that brought life to the show.

yeah, RIP Merle, you were one of my fave semi-antagonist

Quote from: DeraiLer on March 26, 2013, 12:35:35 AM
Merle was one of the best things on the show now he is gone. This show could benefit from him, Shane and a couple other characters that brought life to the show.

I agree. Though, there's still a lot of fleshing out being done. Seems Rick has finally snapped out of his shit, Michonne had some nice moments with Merle, Carol is nutting up, etc. Some really good moments from last night's episode. Also, the Governor just being animalistic as fuck in his beat down of Merle was pretty terrifying.

can't wait for next week. I really want to know how the Gorvenor will die.

Quote from: L-Face on March 26, 2013, 04:48:00 AM
Also, the Governor just being animalistic as fuck in his beat down of Merle was pretty terrifying.

and how furioust and sad Daryl was as he beats down his brother, that was, I wouldn't say terrifying, but it sure was sad.

Quote from: DeraiLer on March 26, 2013, 12:35:35 AM
Merle was one of the best things on the show now he is gone. This show could benefit from him, Shane and a couple other characters that brought life to the show.

    Merle was one of my favorite characters. He had the potential and was in this episode a great anti hero which to me is one of the most interesting character types in any movie, book, or show ect.. Sure you need good and bad but i believe those in the middle are most entertaining. What are they going to do next? Will they do something to redeem themselves or will they sink ever closer to the dark side?
   There was such character depth there and a well acted character on top of it.  Can't quite grasp why the writers would do such a thing. In my mind it has to be some sort of money issue otherwise why? I can not think of one other logical reason.

It's kind of what I was saying earlier in the thread. This season seems to be all about redemption. In the way Merle went out, he was redeeming himself and ultimately, he sacrificed himself in order to give the Prison group a better chance at surviving against the Woodbury group. What makes that moment bittersweet is no one in the prison group, more specifically Daryl, won't know of his sacrifice.

They might piece it together. Maybe the Governor tells Andrea of the ambush by Merle. Maybe Martinez has a scene with Daryl while trying to kill each other where he blurts it out.

When you put it like that, that'd make what Merle did seem even more worth while. Giving Daryl that one moment where he knows that Merle put someone else before himself. That is, of course, providing they don't kill Daryl off too.

that'd be the end of TWD.

Entertainment weekly had a photo of Daryl and it said "Please feel free to kill anyone but THIS guy"

Hmm not really the kind of big bang I expected for a finale. More like a shifting of the teams and a couple of big character kills I didn't expect. Carl I am really liking. Fucker took no chances and I gotta agree with him the way that kid was bringing the gun to him was too risky. He should have lowered it to the ground, not continue to hold it and walk towards Carl. I thought he was making a play to grab Carl. I enjoyed the episode but was expecting more. Oh well, looks to be on track for more good story ahead.

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD!

About fucking time!

I'm glad the bitch is dead, but I feel kinda cheated that...


***SPOILERS******SPOILERS******SPOILERS***


...the governor got away scott-free. There's no way in hell that the two guys he decided not to slaughter wouldn't have plugged him in the back of the head when he was finished with his Tony Montana moment. It should have been pretty obvious to them that he's psychotic and can't be trusted. [*no*]

And where the hell did he go? He didn't return to the city and didn't go to the prison. It was dark when Rick finally got to the city and took the townsfolks back with him.

He should have taken the city now that he outmans the Governor and his two men. Not go back to his blown to shit prison.

Idk, we're going to have to ponder that for the entire hiatus.  [*angry*]


I think the prison is easier to defend from walkers - and people, if properly fortified. That's probably why they chose to stay there.

True. Prison walls over buses blocking a street is still much safer. Rick should utterly clean out woodsburys supplies, if he hasn't already. They can work on getting showers and plumbing working and make a garden around the prison for food.

I still haven't seen it... T_T

I'm bummed that there was no episode to watch yesterday. Gonna be jonesin' hardcore for the next six months.  [*cry*] 


What I don't get is why AMC continues to keep fucking with a good thing; first they get rid of show creator Frank Darabont midway through season two, now they've kicked out (http://screenrant.com/walking-dead-season-4-showrunner-glen-mazzara/) the guy that replaced him (Glen Mazzara), who did a pretty damn good job of taking up the reins. The ratings are the highest they've ever been, making TWD the #1 dramatic series in basic cable history. How you can fuck with that recipe for success is beyond me.

any one else find the season finally sort of lack luster?

compared with season 2 when all hell broke lose at the farm, i sort of found this one dull.

still didnt watch 316

Quote from: gorefan1428 on April 12, 2013, 04:33:01 PM
any one else find the season finally sort of lack luster?

compared with season 2 when all hell broke lose at the farm, i sort of found this one dull.

Nah, I didn't think the season 3 finale was lackluster at all. Thing is, if they keep having hell break loose and main characters dropping left and right at the end of a season, it's going to get stale. Te finale gave us a bit of a bitter sweet ending because or now, the prison group can finally relax for a moment. Though, the Governor could pop back up at any time during season 4, so he's still very much a threat. I like it.

Quote from: L-Face on April 13, 2013, 04:41:45 AM

Quote from: gorefan1428 on April 12, 2013, 04:33:01 PM
any one else find the season finally sort of lack luster?

compared with season 2 when all hell broke lose at the farm, i sort of found this one dull.

Nah, I didn't think the season 3 finale was lackluster at all. Thing is, if they keep having hell break loose and main characters dropping left and right at the end of a season, it's going to get stale. Te finale gave us a bit of a bitter sweet ending because or now, the prison group can finally relax for a moment. Though, the Governor could pop back up at any time during season 4, so he's still very much a threat. I like it.

I see your point and it is logical. I just felt like their was a lot of build up towards something huge and the ending sort of fizzled.  Sort of like lighting a firecracker as a kid and when the wick goes out all you get is smoke and no boom.

Quote from: L-Face on April 13, 2013, 04:41:45 AM
Nah, I didn't think the season 3 finale was lackluster at all. Thing is, if they keep having hell break loose and main characters dropping left and right at the end of a season, it's going to get stale.

But main characters DID drop off at seasons end. We lost Andrea, Merle, Milton and Ben! Good god man we lost BEN!!!

Cancel the series now. [*browwink*]

Ben! Oh the horror!  [*laugh*]


Merle: Technically, we lost Merle in the first season, so losing his racist ass again was a bonus.


Milton: I never liked that skeevy looking prick in the first place, so good riddance to the Governor's #1 yes-man. He tried to redeem himself by burning up the Walkers, but in my book, that didn't make up for the rest of the shit he turned a blind eye to.


Andrea: The only true main character of the three, and that bitch had it coming. It was only fitting that she was done in by a Pedobear Walker. I nodded my head in acceptance when her self-inflicted head shot rang out.   

Merle and milton were some main characters this season. If you only use the template of characters being main ones because they were in all the seasons then it's just Rick and Carl. Each season brings new characters to the forefront and Merle to me was a main character in season 3.

Quote from: DeraiLer on April 14, 2013, 07:02:11 AM

Quote from: L-Face on April 13, 2013, 04:41:45 AM
Nah, I didn't think the season 3 finale was lackluster at all. Thing is, if they keep having hell break loose and main characters dropping left and right at the end of a season, it's going to get stale.

But main characters DID drop off at seasons end. We lost Andrea, Merle, Milton and Ben! Good god man we lost BEN!!!

Cancel the series now. [*browwink*]

What I mean is a mass slaughter like at the end of season 2. In comparison, Season 3 had less main character deaths. Also, I cry myself to sleep every night due to Ben's death. R.I.P Ben.  [*cry*]

I'm not saying that Merle and Milton weren't important characters this season, I'm just saying that compared to others, they were more like supporting cast. Andrea's death had much more of an impact and much more meaning, imo.

Btw... Rick, Carl, Daryl, Glenn, and Carol are the peeps who are still alive and kickin' from the first season. 

Quote from: KennyThaKilla on April 14, 2013, 11:51:34 AM
I'm not saying that Merle and Milton weren't important characters this season, I'm just saying that compared to others, they were more like supporting cast. Andrea's death had much more of an impact and much more meaning, imo.

I don't agree with that, at least, not fully. Milton, I'll give you. But Merle? Nah. When Merle's hand was revealed in Season 1, from that point on people were wondering, "Is he going to show back up?" But for Andrea, I can't speak for everyone, but I fucking HATED her as a character. Everytime she was on screen I was hoping it would cut to another scene. But for every episode Merle wasn't on, I was wondering when or if he'd show up. So for me, his death was a much bigger loss from a fan standpoint where as Andrea's death simply had my singing, "Nana na na. Nana na na. Hey hey hey. Goodbye." Also doesn't hurt that I'm interested to see how Daryl progresses over time knowing that his brother became a walker and that he was the one that had to put him down.

So for me, Merle had a bigger impact than Andrea, who became major player. Kinda funny.

That's what I mean - everyone wanted that bitch dead, so when it finally happened, it was much more satisfying than when the racist pig got his.  [*winkgrin*] 

But I see what you're saying.

Hey! Racist pigs need love too!

Quote from: KennyThaKilla on April 14, 2013, 12:03:21 PM
That's what I mean - everyone wanted that bitch dead, so when it finally happened, it was much more satisfying than when the racist pig got his.  [*winkgrin*] 

But I see what you're saying.

You know what, I've learned to deal with racism. Everyone is racial, whether they want to admit it or not. Merle being racist? Fine, whatever. He had some redeeming qualities that made him an endearing character and that's why people rooted for him. That and they hoped a bit of Daryl rubbed off on him. And in the end, it did. Racist or not, he let the black chick go and gave the group a fighting chance. That's what made him a great character. Michael Rooker was the perfect choice for Merle.

The cracker above me is right.

Michael Rooker is a great actor. But root for Merle? First I've heard of it. That guy was a piece of shit throughout and about the only endearing quality he had was that he let Michonne go and finally did the right thing for once in his miserable life. Micheal Rooker - awesome. Merle - not so much. I'm glad the bastard's dead.

Quote from: KennyThaKilla on April 14, 2013, 01:05:44 PM
Michael Rooker is a great actor. But root for Merle? First I've heard of it. That guy was a piece of shit throughout and about the only endearing quality he had was that he let Michonne go and finally did the right thing for once in his miserable life. Micheal Rooker - awesome. Merle - not so much. I'm glad the bastard's dead.

I rooted for merle and would have much rather seen a handful if not most of the other characters go than him. There is so much that could have been done with merle from week to week ,nothing quite like a good redemption story line with an anti hero sort of type.

In the end, though, I think he got his redemption. Which kind of made his death more bearable than Dale's death in season 2. Still not cool with that.  [*no*]

Quote from: L-Face on April 19, 2013, 07:44:23 PM
In the end, though, I think he got his redemption. Which kind of made his death more bearable than Dale's death in season 2. Still not cool with that.  [*no*]

dale's death was the one for me that made me think oh shit they could kill off anyone at any time.

i figured he would be around for a while.

finaly watched it!!!

Governor is fucked up, still alive so we might see him again.

I didn't mind Andrea's Death.

Rick seems to be back.

I can't wait for next Season.

Quote from: gorefan1428 on April 23, 2013, 02:44:50 PM

dale's death was the one for me that made me think oh shit they could kill off anyone at any time.

i figured he would be around for a while.

yeah, that's why they made us think Andrea had a chance to live at the end, but nope. she dead

Walking Dead Free Comic Book Day issue. (http://www.freecomicbookday.com/catalogimages/STK_IMAGES_PDF/STK520001-540000/STK525977.pdf)

Quote from: JasonzSon on May 06, 2013, 03:35:50 AM
Walking Dead Free Comic Book Day issue. (http://www.freecomicbookday.com/catalogimages/STK_IMAGES_PDF/STK520001-540000/STK525977.pdf)

thanks for that was an interesting read.

Quote from: DeraiLer on April 01, 2013, 10:41:45 PMHmm not really the kind of big bang I expected for a finale. More like a shifting of the teams and a couple of big character kills I didn't expect. Carl I am really liking. Fucker took no chances and I gotta agree with him the way that kid was bringing the gun to him was too risky. He should have lowered it to the ground, not continue to hold it and walk towards Carl. I thought he was making a play to grab Carl. I enjoyed the episode but was expecting more. Oh well, looks to be on track for more good story ahead.

Finally got around to seeing the last few episodes that I had missed. And I pretty much have to say I agree with all of this. The ending, while I wouldn't call it a flop, definitely didn't do anything for me. No real resolution- Gov got away, and now we have new fodder in the group for next season's first few episodes, whoop de doo.

That kid did look a little shady "surrendering" to Carl. Could have just dropped the gun, but no "I'm just going to stand around and not do what the guy with the gun pointing at me is saying." Can't say that I blame Carl, especially since the baby was with them. Although you can definitely tell that his attitude is changing for the worse. That should be an interesting spin on teenage angst, eh?

I'm glad that they finally did something with Milton, other than letting him swing from the Governor's sac by the mouth. I always figured he would turn things around, and he did. Good for him.

Andrea. She's a weird character for me. She goes from being likable sometimes, to an oblivious cunt in others. To be honest, I kind of liked that yo-yo action with her; it worked. And she did get to redeem herself too, in the end, which I also enjoyed.

Merle going probably bugged me the most out of all of them, because he was right the whole time. He's pigeon-holed into doing the dirty work for others because they're too chickenshit to do it themselves, and when he tries to redeem himself for it, he gets killed off. Good one Rick. Another thing that bothered me was it seemed so ineffective- by the next episode no one even bothered remembering him... even Daryl didn't seem all that bummed out about it anymore.

Overall, a decent few episodes to end the season, although it ended with more of a whimper than a bang. Pretty much every character was touched on by the end of it except for Beth, but what else is new. Wonder what will be going down in season 4... the way it ended left it basically with anything that we could imagine, with no hint of what's to come as far as I can tell.

Yeah, I recently saw the finale too. Nothing great but I liked that what I wanted to happen (Ricks group merging with Woodsbury) happened, and I'm glad we'll hopefully have The Governor as the big bad for another season.

And for as much shit as I was giving Rick, I have to admit that he redeemed himself for me with his speech to the group at the end of the Merle dieing episode and for helping out Woodbury. Carl seems to be becomming the new shades of grey character.

On a sidenote, I watched The Mist last week and I forgot that it has 3 WD stars (Andrea, Dale and Carol) in it.

ugh October is so far away  [*angry*]

Three and a half more months!

On a side note, I wonder how many of these new people joining the group are going to die in the first episode, if any.

id say some will die first episode just to get people pumped about whats ahead.

Something to wet your whistles:

I can't wait for it to come back on

Man, been a while since this thread got updated. Been a while since I've posted here. At any rate, Season 4 tomorrow! Can't fucking wait. The trailers have looked great. Hopefully some loose ends will be tied, while at the same time, they'll sate the appetite the gore hounds have.

(http://www.blastr.com/sites/blastr/files/Walking-Dead-Season-4-Banner_2.jpg)


Waiting patiently, even though Rick's pointing a gun at my head.  [*yes*]

I have a love/hate relationship with this show. When it's good, it's really fucking good.

But the rest of the time, it's pointless bickering and characters being mishandled. Michonne is nothing more than a frown and a "Magical Negro" achetype, and Andrea's treatment was infuriating in season 2. She spends two seasons become a badass zombie stabbing independent woman, and at the end, she's being bossed around by men, and she can't kick a zombie or kill it with the plyers she had in her free hand because the script said so.

That said, I still watch and enjoy the show all around, and I'm curious to see where they're going with the super swine flu in season 4.

I kind of liked how they handled Andrea towards the end... sort of like a redemption thing for all that flip-flopping she'd been doing since the start. They certainly could have ended her worse, at least. Plus, towards the end I wouldn't say she was taking orders as opposed to playing both sides to try and keep the peace. Too bad she mostly failed.

As far as Michonne, she started off slowly, but they really built her up towards the end of the last season. She still has a long way to go, and we're only one episode into this new season, so I'll reserve my judgement. But I'd take a guess that they'll be building her up more again... especially once more of these nobodies start dying.

As far as this first episode goes- it was okay, I thought... not really great, but certainly not horrible. But you can't expect a TON out of the first one. It gave us a decent feel for what has been going on in the days between the episode of the last season and this one. And it gave us a few new characters to keep an eye on. Overall, I'm content.

Quote from: Crash Dummie on October 17, 2013, 01:18:31 AM
I have a love/hate relationship with this show. When it's good, it's really fucking good.

But the rest of the time, it's pointless bickering and characters being mishandled. Michonne is nothing more than a frown and a "Magical Negro" achetype, and Andrea's treatment was infuriating in season 2. She spends two seasons become a badass zombie stabbing independent woman, and at the end, she's being bossed around by men, and she can't kick a zombie or kill it with the plyers she had in her free hand because the script said so.

That said, I still watch and enjoy the show all around, and I'm curious to see where they're going with the super swine flu in season 4.

Thing with the show is, a lot of the characters are drastically different from their comic counter parts. In the comics, Andrea was A HELL OF A LOT more likeable than they made her in the show. I get what they were going for, for the most part. Make her make a bunch of bone headed decisions, realize the error of her ways way too late, and redeem her in her death. But that fell flat to me. Mostly because every episode before it just added another reason for me to hate her.

As for Michonne, I can understand why they decided to make her stoic. She was on her own for who knows how long and felt betrayed by Andrea. So she's not just going to open up to a bunch of random people. The world they live in has hardened them and it'd take a lot more than a roof over their heads for them to be able to trust each other.

Though, in the later episodes of Season 3, she started showing some signs of life. Going out of her way to get that family photo for Carl so he could give it to Judith when she's old enough so she knows what Lori looked like. Even in this debut episode, she showed some personality. She was apparently on a mission to find the Governor between the time season 3 ended and this past episode, but went out of her way to get Carl a comic book (or what I assume was a comic book.) Also when that one kid was trying to figure out what Daryl did before this, she was being a bit of a smart-ass about the whole thing.

Anyways, I liked this episode. It wasn't great by any means, but it's a decent crutch for the viewer. See the characters in a time of peace and them seemingly having everything figured out. Only as the episode went on, things were slowly starting to be pulled out from under them. From what was said on the Talking Dead immediately after, things are supposed to get really crazy, really quick. Whether that means the next episode or the episode after remains to be seen. But I'm definitely looking forward to it for sure.

Also, raining zombies. That was pretty cool. Especially the one that fell through first and had it's innards ripped out. It was kind of like a zombie bungee cord.